SMUT PEDDLERS: John redet Scheiße, M.A.D. sagt Tour ab
Verfasst: 18.03.2005, 13:24
SMUT PEDDLERS: John redet Scheiße, M.A.D. sagt Tour ab
Eigentlich gefiel uns das neue Album der SMUT PEDDLERS, just auf TKO Records erschienen, sehr gut. Und da fiel es nicht schwer, sich ein paar Fragen auszudenken für ein Interview, das passend zur Tour im April im Ox hätte erscheinen sollen. Hätte ... Das Interview haben wir gecancelt, weil wir einer Band mit solchen Statements kein Forum bieten wollen, und nachdem Marc von M.A.D. Tourbooking in Berlin die unten zitierte Antwort von John gelesen hatte, sagte er die Tour ab, da die Band sich nicht überzeugend davon distanzierte.
Hier die Story in Kürze, damit ihr euch selbst ein Bild machen könnt:
Am 14.3. erhielt ich die Antworten auf mein Interview, alles okay soweit. Doch dann, am 15.3. morgens, kam Nachschub: John musste zu Frage 9, hier dokumentiert, auch noch etwas sagen, und das hätte er besser bleiben lassen sollen ...
9. Nice quote from Thrasher: "Most music magazines are just political propaganda, and the people that write and do interviews are a sorry lot with axes to grind" - strong words. Can you elaborate on this?
Gish: Although I didn't say it, I used to write for Big Brother and sometimes I did have an "axe to grind". The axe was humor. ]
Julia - I think John has a lot of axes to grind, but you’d have to ask him.
Prospect - You'll have to ask John.
John - In the United States, it seems like most of the so-called "music" magazines are filled with left-wing political propoganda and not much discussion of music. School teachers and University Professors are predominately leftists. They like to be called "progressive", which implies that those who disagree with them are REgressive. The universities and schools tend to brainwash the students with Ideas and concepts like "Affimative Action", which is institutional racism. The Hollywood entertainment industry is the same way. Journalists and Gay Actors are not representative of America as a whole. I voted for Bush, and he won fair and square. I thought he was better than the alternative. I liked Ronald Reagan, too. So we can't get a gig at Spaceland. I don't think politics should be a big deal and so one-sided in the press. If a musician has an opinion and wants to talk about it, fine, but having critics and editors constantly ramming their views down my throat and censoring and editing out opposing views is frustrating, boring, and downright fascist. Maybe it's different in Europe, but it's probably even worse.
Für die des Englische nicht so mächtigen Leser und Leserinnen eine kurze Zusammenfassung (Anmerkung in der Klammer von mir): In den USA seien die meisten sogenannten Musikmagazine voller linker Propaganda. Schullehrer und Uni-Professoren seien auch meist Linke. Die Unis und Schulen würden die die Schüler und Studenten einer Gehirnwäsche unterziehen mit Ideen und Konzepten wie der „affirmative action“ (ein US-Gesetz zur Förderung der Chancengleichheit von ethnischen Minderheiten), was institutioneller Rassismus sei. Genauso sei die Entertainment-Industrie von Hollywood. Journalisten und schwule Schauspieler seien nicht repräsentativ für die USA. Er habe für Bush gestimmt, der fair gewonnen habe. Auch habe er seinerzeit Reagan gemocht.
So, und jetzt nochmal durchatmen und das Ganze in meinen Worten: Linke überall, die die Schüler und Studenten mit ihren Ideen vergiften. Journalisten und schwule Schauspieler dürfen das Maul aufreißen. Bush toll, Reagan damals auch. Geht’s noch??? Entsprechend meine Antwort an die Band, denn meine Lust darauf, das Interview mit solch üblen Sätzen abzudrucken, war auf null gesunken.
good morning
thanks for the addition to #9. well, now it is up to you if you to decide if you really wanna be featured in a "leftist magazine". we are definitely a leftist magazine, not a single person among our staff of 70+ writers supports political parties and ideas that are not leftist (I am very confident about that) and we all think that president Bush and his whole administratrion are a bunch of right wing assholes. and by the way, if you dislike these ideas so much, why do you come over to Europe where most of the clubs and youth centres you play at have a leftwing background and would have long been extinct if it was for conservative politicians? don't play tommy weißbecker haus in berlin then, don't play conne island in leipzig, don't play ak 47 in dusseldorf, get yourself booked a tour thru starbucks cafes instead.
joachim
Mittlerweile hatte ich das Interview an Marc von M.A.D. weitergeleitet, der alles andere als begeistert war und sich nach entsprechender firmeninterner Beratung daraufhin entschloss, die Tour abzusagen. Etwas später die Antwort von Julia von den SMUT PEDDLERS:
Joachim...
WHOA, hold on! Let me first say, we are not a ring-wing band. Our singer is an only child, he is older (45), he is very sick with Hep C, Lupus and rhumatoid arthritis which makes him grouchy and, quite honestly a spoiled brat sometimes. I (Julia, drums) didn't vote for Bush, and I know Bush is a pile of shit, but I also have to ride in the van with John. So I choose a quieter ride by not arguing politics with him. He says things for shock value. He wants to argue. He doesn't feel good and it makes him mad, I think. I understand you take your politics very seriously and I apologize for the whole band that wee have offended your beliefs. That was not intended. I LOVE Europe. The beautiful places, smart & friendly people, you have a very balanced culture, that I wish we had here. I know I can't change your mind, but I hope you understand, we aren't the way you may perceive us from the interview question.
Thanks for your time,
Julia
John redet also Scheiße, immer und überall, aber er ist alt, krank und ein Einzelkind. Mein Mitleid hält sich in Grenzen. Entsprechend die Antwort an Julia.
julia
I absolutely get your point. but honestly, what kind of reaction did he and did you as a band expect? that i say "wow, great guy"? if somebody breaks into your party and starts to talk shit about you, your beliefs and comes up with shit like "journalists and gay actors" - do you kick him out or do you start discussing? exactly.
if you can, shut him up. if he thinks this is censorship and the commies are after him, fine with me.
marc mad is also very upset and I think will get in touch with you shortly. you should sort this out and make sure john watches his mouth in the future. so far this whole thing has not been communicated except for to mad, so it’s up you to make sure the damage is kept as small as possible.
joachim
Darauf Julia:
Joachim,
Thank you for understanding, and you're totally right with the question, "what kind of reaction did he and did you as a band expect?" Over here so many of the people at punk shows are ignorant and clueless about politics, so when he says things he gets a very minimal reaction and it turns in to more of a debate, never an angry discussion. John is selfish and doesn't think about how the things he says effect us, but we have been dealing with that for 12 years. Singers!?! Unfortunately, I think Marc is canceling our tour. He says clubs have already started canceling?!?? I am truly bummed out. I have been looking forward to this trip for over a year. I don't know what to say or do. I can't even really think right now. It feels like my whole world has crashed and burned.
Julia
Dabei habe ich es bewenden lassen. Am 16.3. nachmittags dann die offizielle Tourabsage von M.A.D., die auch selbst mit der Band in Kontakt standen und die obige eMails kannten:
PLEASE NOTE :
Unfortunately we have to cancel the complete SMUT PEDDLERS tour. There’s a discussion in the press and media going on about an interview a bandmember has given to a fanzine, to be printed in the upcoming issue( Anm. Ox: was nicht passieren wird.). There are statements in this interview, we absolutely don’t agree and won’t be involved with. And we don’t want to say sorry for statements given by any band.
Sorry for any inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.
Cheers, Daniel.
Fazit:
Eine an sich nette Band duldet in ihren Reihen einen Typen, der aus Paranoia vor allgegenwärtigen Linken, die angeblich die Hirne der Schüler und Studenten mit üblen Ideen vergiften, gerne mal Scheisse erzählt und dabei auch latent homophob ist - wie sonst sollte seine Statement über „Journalisten und schwule Schauspieler“, die nicht das wahre Amerika repräsentieren, denn zu verstehen sein? Sorry, die Punkszene, in der ich mich zu Hause fühlen will, braucht solche Statements und Leute nicht. Soll John vor US-Publikum rumpöbeln, ich kann darauf verzichten.
Joachim Hiller, Ox-Fanzine
Eigentlich gefiel uns das neue Album der SMUT PEDDLERS, just auf TKO Records erschienen, sehr gut. Und da fiel es nicht schwer, sich ein paar Fragen auszudenken für ein Interview, das passend zur Tour im April im Ox hätte erscheinen sollen. Hätte ... Das Interview haben wir gecancelt, weil wir einer Band mit solchen Statements kein Forum bieten wollen, und nachdem Marc von M.A.D. Tourbooking in Berlin die unten zitierte Antwort von John gelesen hatte, sagte er die Tour ab, da die Band sich nicht überzeugend davon distanzierte.
Hier die Story in Kürze, damit ihr euch selbst ein Bild machen könnt:
Am 14.3. erhielt ich die Antworten auf mein Interview, alles okay soweit. Doch dann, am 15.3. morgens, kam Nachschub: John musste zu Frage 9, hier dokumentiert, auch noch etwas sagen, und das hätte er besser bleiben lassen sollen ...
9. Nice quote from Thrasher: "Most music magazines are just political propaganda, and the people that write and do interviews are a sorry lot with axes to grind" - strong words. Can you elaborate on this?
Gish: Although I didn't say it, I used to write for Big Brother and sometimes I did have an "axe to grind". The axe was humor. ]
Julia - I think John has a lot of axes to grind, but you’d have to ask him.
Prospect - You'll have to ask John.
John - In the United States, it seems like most of the so-called "music" magazines are filled with left-wing political propoganda and not much discussion of music. School teachers and University Professors are predominately leftists. They like to be called "progressive", which implies that those who disagree with them are REgressive. The universities and schools tend to brainwash the students with Ideas and concepts like "Affimative Action", which is institutional racism. The Hollywood entertainment industry is the same way. Journalists and Gay Actors are not representative of America as a whole. I voted for Bush, and he won fair and square. I thought he was better than the alternative. I liked Ronald Reagan, too. So we can't get a gig at Spaceland. I don't think politics should be a big deal and so one-sided in the press. If a musician has an opinion and wants to talk about it, fine, but having critics and editors constantly ramming their views down my throat and censoring and editing out opposing views is frustrating, boring, and downright fascist. Maybe it's different in Europe, but it's probably even worse.
Für die des Englische nicht so mächtigen Leser und Leserinnen eine kurze Zusammenfassung (Anmerkung in der Klammer von mir): In den USA seien die meisten sogenannten Musikmagazine voller linker Propaganda. Schullehrer und Uni-Professoren seien auch meist Linke. Die Unis und Schulen würden die die Schüler und Studenten einer Gehirnwäsche unterziehen mit Ideen und Konzepten wie der „affirmative action“ (ein US-Gesetz zur Förderung der Chancengleichheit von ethnischen Minderheiten), was institutioneller Rassismus sei. Genauso sei die Entertainment-Industrie von Hollywood. Journalisten und schwule Schauspieler seien nicht repräsentativ für die USA. Er habe für Bush gestimmt, der fair gewonnen habe. Auch habe er seinerzeit Reagan gemocht.
So, und jetzt nochmal durchatmen und das Ganze in meinen Worten: Linke überall, die die Schüler und Studenten mit ihren Ideen vergiften. Journalisten und schwule Schauspieler dürfen das Maul aufreißen. Bush toll, Reagan damals auch. Geht’s noch??? Entsprechend meine Antwort an die Band, denn meine Lust darauf, das Interview mit solch üblen Sätzen abzudrucken, war auf null gesunken.
good morning
thanks for the addition to #9. well, now it is up to you if you to decide if you really wanna be featured in a "leftist magazine". we are definitely a leftist magazine, not a single person among our staff of 70+ writers supports political parties and ideas that are not leftist (I am very confident about that) and we all think that president Bush and his whole administratrion are a bunch of right wing assholes. and by the way, if you dislike these ideas so much, why do you come over to Europe where most of the clubs and youth centres you play at have a leftwing background and would have long been extinct if it was for conservative politicians? don't play tommy weißbecker haus in berlin then, don't play conne island in leipzig, don't play ak 47 in dusseldorf, get yourself booked a tour thru starbucks cafes instead.
joachim
Mittlerweile hatte ich das Interview an Marc von M.A.D. weitergeleitet, der alles andere als begeistert war und sich nach entsprechender firmeninterner Beratung daraufhin entschloss, die Tour abzusagen. Etwas später die Antwort von Julia von den SMUT PEDDLERS:
Joachim...
WHOA, hold on! Let me first say, we are not a ring-wing band. Our singer is an only child, he is older (45), he is very sick with Hep C, Lupus and rhumatoid arthritis which makes him grouchy and, quite honestly a spoiled brat sometimes. I (Julia, drums) didn't vote for Bush, and I know Bush is a pile of shit, but I also have to ride in the van with John. So I choose a quieter ride by not arguing politics with him. He says things for shock value. He wants to argue. He doesn't feel good and it makes him mad, I think. I understand you take your politics very seriously and I apologize for the whole band that wee have offended your beliefs. That was not intended. I LOVE Europe. The beautiful places, smart & friendly people, you have a very balanced culture, that I wish we had here. I know I can't change your mind, but I hope you understand, we aren't the way you may perceive us from the interview question.
Thanks for your time,
Julia
John redet also Scheiße, immer und überall, aber er ist alt, krank und ein Einzelkind. Mein Mitleid hält sich in Grenzen. Entsprechend die Antwort an Julia.
julia
I absolutely get your point. but honestly, what kind of reaction did he and did you as a band expect? that i say "wow, great guy"? if somebody breaks into your party and starts to talk shit about you, your beliefs and comes up with shit like "journalists and gay actors" - do you kick him out or do you start discussing? exactly.
if you can, shut him up. if he thinks this is censorship and the commies are after him, fine with me.
marc mad is also very upset and I think will get in touch with you shortly. you should sort this out and make sure john watches his mouth in the future. so far this whole thing has not been communicated except for to mad, so it’s up you to make sure the damage is kept as small as possible.
joachim
Darauf Julia:
Joachim,
Thank you for understanding, and you're totally right with the question, "what kind of reaction did he and did you as a band expect?" Over here so many of the people at punk shows are ignorant and clueless about politics, so when he says things he gets a very minimal reaction and it turns in to more of a debate, never an angry discussion. John is selfish and doesn't think about how the things he says effect us, but we have been dealing with that for 12 years. Singers!?! Unfortunately, I think Marc is canceling our tour. He says clubs have already started canceling?!?? I am truly bummed out. I have been looking forward to this trip for over a year. I don't know what to say or do. I can't even really think right now. It feels like my whole world has crashed and burned.
Julia
Dabei habe ich es bewenden lassen. Am 16.3. nachmittags dann die offizielle Tourabsage von M.A.D., die auch selbst mit der Band in Kontakt standen und die obige eMails kannten:
PLEASE NOTE :
Unfortunately we have to cancel the complete SMUT PEDDLERS tour. There’s a discussion in the press and media going on about an interview a bandmember has given to a fanzine, to be printed in the upcoming issue( Anm. Ox: was nicht passieren wird.). There are statements in this interview, we absolutely don’t agree and won’t be involved with. And we don’t want to say sorry for statements given by any band.
Sorry for any inconvenience and thanks for your understanding.
Cheers, Daniel.
Fazit:
Eine an sich nette Band duldet in ihren Reihen einen Typen, der aus Paranoia vor allgegenwärtigen Linken, die angeblich die Hirne der Schüler und Studenten mit üblen Ideen vergiften, gerne mal Scheisse erzählt und dabei auch latent homophob ist - wie sonst sollte seine Statement über „Journalisten und schwule Schauspieler“, die nicht das wahre Amerika repräsentieren, denn zu verstehen sein? Sorry, die Punkszene, in der ich mich zu Hause fühlen will, braucht solche Statements und Leute nicht. Soll John vor US-Publikum rumpöbeln, ich kann darauf verzichten.
Joachim Hiller, Ox-Fanzine
